Closer Look: Xbox 360’s RRoD

What do you get when you sell 8-9 million systems worldwide with a 1 in 40 odds of having an issue that can happen at any given moment? You get a reputation of being the worst game system on the market that’s what. The Xbox 360 system was having an issue that could only be indicated with 3 blinking red lights on the front of your Xbox 360 around your power button quickly dubbed the red ring of death (rrod) because, without servicing the machine through Microsoft, the system wouldn’t turn on. This issue has had a dramatic negative effect on the Xbox 360’s sales despite the recent price drop and extending the system’s warranty to 3 years. Customers have been very reluctant to buy a machine because they don’t want it to happen to them and they would be without a system for the one week it takes to service the machine.
Whether you yourself have had the red ring of death happen to you or you only read about it, read the rest of the article after the break to see what we have to say about the rrod, Xbox 360, and how to make sure you get good customer service.
What Causes The Red Ring of Death?
The rrod happens to an Xbox 360 system when one or more system components permanently fail. A lot of people, especially those not computer savvy, have jumped to conclusions that the reason for the rrod is overheating but that is not the case with the rrod because if it were overheating, letting it cool off would be good enough until it overheated again (not to mention the Xbox 360 has a seperate indication for overheating which would be 2 blinking red lights in the 1 and 3 quadrants rather than three lights in the 1, 2, and 3 quadrants).
The real reason for the 3 red lights of failure is a result of long term heat of the CPU and the GPU against the motherboard that caused it to “bow” or “warp”. This warping issue causes the lead-free solders that were used to mount the motherboard to have lots of tension on them. After it too having long exposure to elevated temperatures, the solders become brittle and develop hair-line cracks that are almost irreparable. It isn’t until the hair-line cracks form that you get the red ring of death. So is the system having heat issues where the parts are failing due to heat? No. The system is actually failing because of irregular behavior in the motherboard that was mounted. If you want to see what we’re talking about with the warping of the motherboard, check out this youtube video.
What Microsoft Has Done To Help
As we’ve previously mentioned, Microsoft has announced that anyone who had to pay to get their system fixed that had the rrod is getting a refund as well as that all systems have a 3 year “enhanced” warranty that covers 3 years from the manufactured date (which means it covers used systems too). So some could say that Microsoft covered their butt to make sure no more lawsuits would continue but we think it’s more about admitting they made a hardware mistake that they thought was fine and showing that they will pay the price (and shipping) to get it fixed in a timely manner.
The basic process of getting the system repaired is:
- Call Microsoft’s Xbox Trouble line (toll free at 800 4my xbox)
- Inform them you have “three flashing lights in the 1, 2, and 3 quadrants” and it doesn’t turn on
- Get the tracking number for your box
- Receive from UPS the box they want you to ship it in the next day
- Before you ship it, write down your serial number then remove hard drive and/or memory card and keep them
- Ship it back via prepaid UPS (free for you) and go to www.xbox.com to track your system’s progress
- After 1 week you’ll get a 360 back in working condition
- Do a happy dance that you didn’t pay a thing for your system to be fixed except patience
How Customers Have Responded To The RRoD
Well, what customers are under the assumption that Microsoft should have had a recall on the machine. If customers were offered a recall on the Xbox 360 system and offered a replacement system in exchange this would have been better for most but we believe the reason a recall was not made is because 39 out of 40 systems were perfectly fine and they’d be replacing systems that did not need it done. Not to mention that a lot of people would expect getting an Elite Xbox back in return rather than the model they sent out. So the way Microsoft is handling it is probably the best way, after all, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it right?
Microsoft Corrects The Mistakes They Make
Microsoft did re-manufactured the motherboard so it wouldn’t warp under prolonged heat and also fixed the solders to make sure that they didn’t cause the hair-line fracture. They also improved the “heat sink” of the 360 to make sure the GPU and the CPU both had more attention paid on them to keep them cool. These “revamped” systems can be identified simply by looking for the HDMI port located underneath the standard AV output jack on the back of the system. You can also look on the box to see if it says Zephyr on it which is the code name they used when re-manufacturing the motherboard.
How Microsoft Will Win Over The Anti-Microsoft
With bogus news articles like this one reporting that systems are being sold without the Zephyr motherboards is ridiculous and will assassinate Microsoft’s future in this race, even the news editor has updated the article saying that it has been 99.9% confirmed as bogus. The real problem at hand is offering money or free repairs to these anti-Microsoft consumers isn’t going to stop them from reporting more and more negativity “claiming” the rrod is still happening…
What needs to happen is Microsoft’s new spokesman Don Mattrick, that took Peter Moore’s spot, should do a news briefing about the issue and verify to everyone that the issue has been resolved and that any remaining non-Zephyr systems will be recalled to guarantee that the system you get is a Zephyr. By doing this, the fear of buying a Xbox 360 will be removed and the anti-Microsoft or Sony/Nintendo fans will have nothing to base their fears on. As far as cost to Microsoft, the non-Zephyr boards are far and few between at this point and could easily be removed from retail outlets without issues.
How To Use The Red Ring Extended Warranty To Your Benefit
Now this is indeed sneaky but we here at SOGamer understand that we don’t have Microsoft reading our blog, instead we have you, the consumer so here’s a helpful tip. If you at first call Microsoft about an issue not rrod related like the disc not being read and they say it’s “out of warranty”, wait two days and call them again only this time say that you have the red ring of death or “three flashing red lights and the system doesn’t turn on”. Since Microsoft is being extra generous to people who have a rrod system, it only makes sense that if you’re have any of the following issues with your machine and can’t get it replaced under the normal 1 year warranty, that you also try getting it under the 3 year extended warranty.
Issues Microsoft Can Fix Under This Sneakiness Are:
- System is scratching games
- System is not reading discs at all
- System thinks Xbox 360 game disc is really a DVD
- System thinks Xbox 360 game disc is not put into a Xbox 360 system
- System freezes or locks up
Sure what we’re suggesting isn’t honest, but the minute you put your system in a UPS box delivered to you by Microsoft and send it away is the minute that you’ll feel better that your Zephyr system is on it’s way and that you’d be calling about the rrod soon enough anyways so it’s only a preemptive call rather than a white lie. What we mean by that is if any of those symptoms are happening, it’s a sign that the system is already having issues with the warping so you’re only turning it in early before the actual rrod happens.
on September 11, 2007 on 4:03 am
Good article. I do believe overheating causes some of the initial problems b/c I get the 3 red lights from time to time, yet my Xbox 360 is still functional and works fine.
If the problem doesn’t cease, then the hairlines cracks make the motherboard disfunctional, but initially difficulties are probably caused by overheating components, due to the relatively small design.
on September 23, 2007 on 9:23 pm
Very helpful thanks. My Xbox 360 had stopped working because of the port to my video. No picture was coming up so i called them and said i have the RROD. Now they sending in a box for my 360 to be shipped back out and returned to with a brand new one yay!!!
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on November 25, 2007 on 6:41 pm
so wait are you saying that the new 2007 xbox 360’s dont have the red ring of death?
on December 2, 2007 on 11:32 pm
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on December 3, 2007 on 6:49 am
Hey guys!!! i’m a huge 360 fan and i just purchased an xbox 360 like 2 days ago lol:)
Would you guys know my chance if at all or have some idea of me getting the RRoD
My 360 was manufactured on the 22/9/2007
Thanks!
on December 8, 2007 on 1:25 am
So does this mean that the zephyr model has FIXED THE RRoD !!!:) BECAUSE I HAVE A ZEPHYR MODEL!!:)
on January 1, 2008 on 8:45 pm
Well, my beloved xbox 360 died on me on new year’s eve, around 7pm after I have just finished cooking dinner. So I went to the living room to turn it on, and then the unthinkable finally happened…the red ring of death! I got my 360 last year as my x-mas gift from my beautiful wife, and I couldn’t be more any happier that day. One year later, my 360 conked out on me–on new year’s eve? Boy! What a perfect timing for it to happen! I even got two new games a week before; a finally have call of duty 4 and bioshock–awesome! But unfortunately, my 360 doesn’t work anymore and it is very frustrating that this “red ring of death” happened to my game console. I am thinking about getting another one, but now I’m thinking it could happen again someday–I know it will. I had the original xbox for almost four years, and it did not give my any problems at all. I guess Microsoft made a very lousy design for the 360, right?
on January 1, 2008 on 8:50 pm
If any one of you has a very similar story about your xbox 360 having the “red ring of death” like mine, please reply to me, ok? It sucks for not being to play games on our deceased xbox 360s, huh? Now, I know how it feels…very frustrasting!!!!
on February 27, 2008 on 2:39 pm
This still doesn’t change the fact that Microsoft could have prevented this from happening in the first place. They must have been idiots to think this wouldn’t hurt their credibility.
And before anyone flames me for this, this is my opinion. I was going to buy a 360 and then I got scared hearing these reports. Now I have a PS3 and I’m proud of it.
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on March 26, 2008 on 1:07 am
… I purchased the Halo 3 edition… in Nov. ‘07… got the RRoD last nite… three times… then she played normal. Today, no RRoD, but COD4 freezes up about 13 seconds into a multiplayer game… so it seems the Zephyr fix didnt work… problen still exists!!!
on March 26, 2008 on 9:22 pm
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on August 10, 2008 on 9:51 am
Hello folks.
I recently purchased an xbox live code online which when used caused the msg ‘not valid code’ to appear. Shortly after the unit crashed and now when switched on shows the rrod…Is this because my machine is UK and they may have given me a US code or is this coincidence and the fault the usual overheating issues(warped mother board,x clamps etc) that usually happens. any suggestions are grealty appreciated!!
cheers!!
on September 19, 2008 on 3:01 am
ive seen a few guides to do this on the net on pages like this one http://www.xboxfixes.com has anyone tired them?
on October 7, 2008 on 7:35 pm
Mike almost the exact same thing happened to mine. I had rings of death one day restarted and they were gone. A day later I enter a free for all halo match about 10 seconds in it freezes and I officially have the red ring of death. Weird huh?
on October 29, 2008 on 7:43 am
“By doing this, the fear of buying a Xbox 360 will be removed and the anti-Microsoft or Sony/Nintendo fans will have nothing to base their fears on. As far as cost to Microsoft, the non-Zephyr boards are far and few between at this point and could easily be removed from retail outlets without issues.”
If this is truly the case then why is it that all the fix RROD forum sites around the globe are still very active until this very day (Oct 2008)
on November 27, 2008 on 4:45 pm
the intercooler draws to much power from the xbox and causes permanent heat damage and u get the rrod
on November 27, 2008 on 4:46 pm
the intercoller draw to much power from the xbox and causes permanent heat damage an u get the rrod
on November 28, 2008 on 3:05 am
hey i got a xbox360 and 2 weeks not a year not 2 but 2 weeks i got the dreaded rrod can a broken one get put out again by mistake or am i unlucky as hell
on December 5, 2008 on 2:53 pm
hi i have just got an xbox and i have been scared off getting RRod but i asked some friends at school about it and some of them have had it one of them said i shouldn’t get it because i have a newer generation of xbox so it won’t get it if this is not true please tell me somthing
on December 25, 2008 on 2:58 pm
so whats does i mean when u send off the box and you get it back but two weeks later the same thing happens ????
don’t u think something wrong here thought it was supposed to be fix….an it breaks on christmas day for that matter which
makes it take even longer than usual to get it back…. don’t you think i deserve a new box…besides this will be the third time this has happened to me since i got my box in JAN 2007…i think theres something really wrong here makes me want to get PS3 instead.
on January 1, 2009 on 11:08 am
Last night my xbox got 3 red blinking lights but it was working fine after i re-started it should i be con surned about it?
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on March 27, 2009 on 8:01 pm
Hi fellow Xbox ownerz,recently when i was about to play my halo,it wouldnt even start,i even cleaned the disk and etc.After a few tries with my other games only like 3 out of 11 worked????!! When i got pissed dun dun dun,i put in my 1 week old game, and it didnt even work!!??? The next day i asked my friend to take it home *all my gamez actually* and see if it would work. When i saw him he said it was workin fine!!!
*WHAT THE HECK IS GOIN ON *
on March 27, 2009 on 8:03 pm
O almost forgot, should i buy a new harddrive??
on March 29, 2009 on 3:56 pm
The last part of this article is false. If you ship your 360 and claim that it’s rrod, they will test it at the repair center. If they find out that it isn’t an rrod console they will ship it back to you still as broken as when you sent it in.
I’ve been fighting with microsoft for days about this. My video doesn’t show only the audio. They want 100 bucks. The only thing I can think of is to purposely rrod my console and send it in. Believe me my console was purchased March of 2008, the faulty video card issue is still not fixed, and needs to be covered.
on June 8, 2009 on 1:48 am
I find this website pretty legit. I’m not sure what or who to believe. Many say the first couple million manufactured 360’s were developed or created incorrectly. Is it that they were defective or that they have been over played by their owners to the point where they overheat, every type of machinery does. Has microsoft even approached this topic to the media or anyone, have they made any statments, maybe they havent, maybe that is because there is no problem. I really am not sure but I’m going to assume there was a problem with the manufacturing. I’m getting a new xbox 360 because mine has broken via 3 red rings. Hopefully i get a newer manufactured 360 so it wont have similar problems as such as my old one. I know it will overheat and possibly have red rings but not as fast as my old one did.